A Lovely Great Hunk of Very Early History Related to Ireland

What is this figure from Irish Mythology doing in the Greek sources?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

The figure written of  is Fenius and/or Phineus, a person active in our world shortly after The Flood. I had come to believe that who may have rightly called Greek had come to Ireland at least twice in very early times. One of these early Greek comers I felt fairly comfortable with, the others I had read only rumors of. They were the Milesians who were the most recent of the comers just before more firmly historic times. The Milesians were Greek. They had developed a well developed trading empire on island just of  what seems to have been the Anatolian coast. During some uncomfortable times on Milesian the made a couple of visits in fairly quick successions to Ireland of which they had some knowledge. On their second coming many  of them came to stay. To the people who were already there, their language was Greek. So Greeks knew Ireland as late as early historic times. So Greeks knew Ireland and Irish knew Greek from not so very long after The Flood, until very close to modern times. 

It may have been these Greeks who stirred the Irish to a desire for a written language. They may have heard of the Phoenicians from them. Well this video my stir you to learn more of the earliest history of our world and Ireland prove a somewhat surprising place to make an excellent starting point. It could you to Iberia, Thrace, Scythia, Anatolia, Greece, Phoenicia, and on to deeper understandings.

                                                                                                            Richard S.

 

Barra: Hints of early Irish Learning and Wisdom

                     Finbarr, has been dead since about 622 AD, but a surprising number of the Irish know his name and a bit of his history. He lived from 550 AD to 622. Most knew him as Saint Finbarr. Let's just call him Barra for now. He was born in what is now Connaught, Ireland at Garranes near Bandon. He was born into what might be an upper middle class family, his father dealing in iron works and his mother a Lady at court. I think they called him Lochan. His father's name was probably Amegain. Later Irish mothers and Fathers named there sons Finbarr and one or two of them also became Saints!

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                    Barra is venerated by both the Easter Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church. He and his closest disciples  began over a dozen schools and churches in Ireland and beyond. His first school has been called: a school of learning, a college of religion, an asylum for the poor, a hospital for the sick, an abode of wisdom, and a sanctuary of Christian virtues. His schools produced many Irish Saints. He has been described as a torch of wisdom and humility for all.  He is well known as a bishop of Cork. He provided his schools with a copy of the Gospels transcribed by him. He is know to have visited Rome at least twice and Scotland more.

                    He seems to have been familiar with teachings and translations of  Rufinus of Aquileia who has often been called Tyrannius(or Tyrannous Rufinus).  Rufinus lived from about 344 to 420 AD and may have visited Ireland. He studied at Alexandria and certainly had knowledge of Ireland. Rufinus knew the works of Origen. 

                    Barra was also familiar with Jerome and his translations from Hebrew and Greek. Jerome was alive in 342 and 370 AD.

                    His formal studies probably began in Ossory in what is now county Connaught. He also learned from the works of Origen, Jerome, and Rufinus. Origen lived from about 185 to 253 AD. He studied and taught at Alexandria. If you know more these last three tell us a bit about these intelligent and learned men. 

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Ireland in Very Early Times

                     I have a feeling that I could be moving into a greater coherence of  my dealings with Irish prehistory.

                   I'm not Irish, but my name is. I am Richard Carroll Sheehan. "Carroll" and "Sheehan" are each an Irish surname. Some early Sheehan immigrants to the US had a certain respect for the Carrolls already in America. Sheehan's in Ireland had a certain respect their because of certain happings and doings in a distant prehistory. 

                  In preCeltic time Sheehan had different names. They were probably renamed with the coming of the Milestian. I have heard that -han meant something like people so we became the shee people. Some of the why of that probable fact is becoming clearer to more than just me. "Shee" is a later day interptation of  andearly celtic word.

                "Aos Si" or something similar is an early celtic name for a real people of Ireland. They also been called Aes sidhe and the like. They have been named things that meant "people of the mounds" and that seems more useful than other names they have been given. There are remenants of mounds in Ireland today. Those mounds have been called sidhe. They have also been called shee. Shee may have been and be used as an ajective. People of the mounds have been called daoine sidhe. It has also been said that the mounds are shee. So the mound people ancestors of the Shee people, Sheehan. 

                Some say the Si or Sidhe are the Danann and that may be so. I belive it more likely that the Danann were called si, sidhe, or shee. They were more truly called "people of the goddess Danu." The Danann may have reated inland as more and more Celts arrived. They were few in the face of many newcommers. Still they  remained protective of their physical and mental culture. They tried to protect their "mounds" from the newcombers and came to be thought of  by them as the "mound people." Those newcomers were probably mostly Iron Age celts. Those Celts came to be called Milesians after their homeland Miletus. In time, perhaps by their very numbers, the Milesians so dominated the earlier people that the caused the language and culture to virtually disappear. 

                The Aos Si remained respected ancesters for a long time after the extended arrival of Iron Age Mikesians. A faint remenent of that respect seems to remain to this day. Those "shee people" may have seemed a bit fearsome to a few, but they were called ''good neighbors,'' "Fair Folk," and "people of peace." Aos si," "aes sidhe," and "daoine sidhe" all seem to mean people of peace.

                These shee, si, and sidhe were also known as defenders of the old Bronze Age culture which it seems they felt was well worth the effort. The festivals known to this day seem to have been theirs. Those festivals are Samhain, Beltane, and Midsummer. You may now know that the mounds were also theirs.

                The Sheehan of today are a tiny remenent of a part of the culture of pre-Cetic occupants of Ireland. I myself might be 1/4 of one infantismal remenant of  a largely forgotten preCetic culture of Ireland. How very much of that once dominent Celtic culture survives. Among some Highland Scots and others with fewer ties to the Irish Island, there remains some tiny memory of what I have just written. 

                The Bronze Age people I have just written of may be the Danann. I suspect that some Danann and Skithian may have been arriving on the Island an nearly the same time. What have been Skithians were probably Scythians, Scythians may be what who we have called Persians. As we know Iranians were Persians. I hope to be alive enought to write of this later.

                However, the Anatolian island of Miletus is an early home of the Milesians of Ireland. Miletus island and city have been called a famous font of Hellenic philosophy. Miletus was occupied by settlers from Create around 1,600 BC. Creare was the seat of a high prehellenic civilization. By about 600 BC Miletus had become a maritime empire. 

                It is said that the first Milasians, to appear on the shores of  the  western isle beyond the pillars of Hercules, were defeated by the powerful Tuatha De Danann nobility. Names of the Milesian leaders were Mac Cuil, Mac Cecht, and Mac Grein. Not much later other Milesias came and staye.d

                Conflict between the Danann and the Milesians is probably a source of the name Ere for the land which came tombe known as Ireland, 

            There is some evidence that Ireland was  well occupied by 7,500 BC.

                Scythia orobably once included an area around the Caspian sea and may have included what is now Kazakstan, Ukraine, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. Caspians of the area may be called Iranian, preIranians, or non-Indoeuropean people.

                Magos is said to have been a grandson of Noah and, perhaps, the father of Agnoman of Scythia.

                More probably there was Scythian/Irish contact during about 2350 BC  and 1730 BC.

                In Ireland an ancient king of Scythia known as Fenius Farsaidh, Fenius Farsa, and Farsi had something to dowith the intoduction of the Ogham alphabet to Ireland.

                It has been said that Japheth, one of the three sons of Noah, and an ancester of the peoples of the Agean Sea, Anatolia and more. A son of Japheth is Magog. Why would a christian have said such things?

                By about 1,300 BC  many were experiencing a Bronze Age. Ireland had been heard of around the Baltic Sea and the mediterranian and further abroad. At the same time Egypt had come under Egyptian control again. Also about this time the people of a small Greek island near the coast of present Turkey came to know of Ireland. That Island was Miletus know to peoples of the Mediterranian world and to quite a few in Ireland. 

                

  

It is Good to Know Your Sources

 Some Sources for Irish History and Prehistory         

              Labor Gabala Erenn, In English The Book of Invasions, from Cessair to Danann is a literary work of the taking of Ireland. It is not just a pack of lies, but is best taken with a grain of salt. It has been influenced by the church, by conaurers, and by Roman works.

            If it becomes your principal source for early Irish history you may stray far from reality.

            There is information on pre-Roman Ireland and it is being studied and clarified. But even our timeline of those early days and centuries is as faulty as our timeline of Egyptian early history and prehistory.

Historians:

            There are English translations of early Irish histories. I would like to see well translated works by Roderick O'Flaherty. I have heard of his work Ogygia. He is an Irish historian born in 1629 AD and who died in about 1717. He seems to have been the last recognized chief of clan Flaherty. He inherited Muycullen Castle and lost it tp Cromwell in the 165os. His son helped him lose another 200,000 acres. He became a highly regarded historian with neither Castle nor 200,000 acres. Seems a fine man for coming from as far north as he did.

            His teacher was Dubhaltach MacFhirbhisigh, who has been known ad Duald MacFirbis, Dudly Ferbisie. He was known to be alive in 1643 and died in January of 1671. He was an Irish scribe, translator, historian, and genealogist. He was one of the last traditionally trained Irish Gaelic scholars. His best known work is the Leabhar na nGenealach which was published in 2004 as The Great Book of Irish Genealogies.

            Who is Eamonn Burca

            Dudly may have received his training at Mac Aohagain bardic school located at Ballymaceagan Lough Derg, County Tipperary.

Prehistory and myth   

            Remember when we say prehistory we usually mean that solid documentation is lacking. And that often we say myth we speak of another

 man's religion or history.

 

            Ogygia is a name for the mythical Greek island of  Calypso. The Nymph Calypso lived on an island called Calypso. It is said that the name Calypso refers to "hidden knowledge" or "concealing the knowledge." Calypso's father may have been Atlas and her mother Tethys.

            Dudly in Ogyia credits Milesius as the father of the Goidelic people. Sounds right.  The people of  the island of Milesius may be those who caused my name to be changed to Sheehan. It  may well be a truth passed on by Dudly that each letter of ancient Ogham is the name of a given tree.

            There is a lot to enjoy and a lot to learn about Ireland's wide ranging ancient connections with a significant part of the world.

            Thank you for reading.

                                                                                rcs